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pledge they made to grover norquist than to move the ball forward and resolve this for the american people. >> is it really about that, angela and dick, is it really about the pledge that was made to grover norquist, no new taxes? we hear eric cantor saying no new taxes and we know that the dems want to have taxes on the wealthy and also know that the republicans would like to see some spending cuts as well. >> it's not about grover norquist and the pledge. the bottom line is this: even boehner said they're willing to have some revenue, some tax increases if we cut spending. and kelly, by having of billions more dollars in surplus package money that president obama wants, also, increasing taxes by 1.6 trillion dollars, that's not a deal that the american people can live with. it's not about grover norquist and not raising taxes, it's about going to the table and cutting a real deal. >> dick? >> i guess what i say is, what do the republicans want to cut? i mean, have they backed off the paul ryan plan to cut medicare have they backed off the plan for social security, and what is the
-by-day house members are saying they will blow off the grover norquist pledge. why do we have to be held to a pledge some would say? >> some. why give up something if a negotiation until you get something back? they are not getting anything back. >>gregg: the concession was a mistake? >> obviously. >> what we are missing from the republicans, that would be a positive message of what they are for. if as they did with paul ryan, they say we want to take medicare, social security, medicaid, and they do the same thing now with mcconnell and they need a game changer. >> as i said, on the debt crisis --. >> no, it is about spending cuts and the president is proposing not cuts but more spending. >> here is the point. if the republicans said, wait, we are going to start right here on this constitutional question, make the democrats in the senate and house of representatives vote, do you think mary landrieu would vote to give him total power? the republicans do not have a clue how to handle this. >> that would be smart, to call a vote right now on the president's ability to take away from congres
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